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| Iconic S2000 badge to return on a new rear-drive roadster, which will be
powered by turbocharged 1.5 and 2.0-litre engines; Type R version
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by John McIlroy of
www.autocar.co.uk
Honda is taking aim at the Mazda MX-5 and Fiat’s forthcoming 124 Spider by developing a successor to its popular S2000 roadster, company insiders have revealed.
Introduced
in 1999, the original version of the Japanese manufacturer’s two-seat
roadster garnered a reputation for its strong powertrain and lively
handling, but the second edition of the car was axed in 2009.
Now a
third generation is said to be under development as Honda tries to
reconnect with the S2000’s dedicated fan base.
Representatives from
Honda’s advanced engineering department are said to have attended a
recent S2000 owners’ club event in the British Isles - a sign that the
firm wants to listen to enthusiasts in order to help it to position the
next version of the car accurately.
The new S2000 will stay true
to the original’s principles of a front-mounted engine, sited behind the
axle line, and rear-wheel drive. It will be pitched as a faster
alternative to the MX-5, although its performance should be more of a
match for that car’s stablemate, the forthcoming Fiat 124 Spider, which
uses a 1.4-litre turbocharged engine instead of the Mazda’s naturally
aspirated 1.5 and 2.0-litre units.
Honda has a number of
powerplants under consideration for its roadster. More basic editions of
the car could be powered by a retuned version of the firm’s forthcoming
1.5-litre turbocharged petrol engine. The four-cylinder unit has VTEC
variable valve timing and produces around 150bhp in the Japanese-market
vehicles it powers. This is likely to be ramped up to around 180bhp for
the most modest S2000, giving the car around 25bhp more than the most
powerful MX-5 and beating the US-market 124’s 158bhp.
This would leave scope for a hotter variant that could use a detuned version of the Civic Type R’s
306bhp 2.0-litre turbocharged engine. It would also feature more
extreme suspension and chassis settings, including a rear limited-slip
differential, and could give Honda a useful extension to its Type R
sub-brand, as well as a rival for the more potent, Abarth-badged 124.
All versions of the car would feature a short-throw six-speed manual
gearbox.
The biggest obstacle in the way of the S2000 replacement is the
absence of a suitable platform. Honda is committing to a new global
architecture for front-wheel-drive cars, including the next generation
of Civic, which is due on sale in the UK in 2017, but its opportunities
to spread the costs of a rear-wheel drive chassis are more limited.
It
is therefore likely to pitch the car as a more expensive rival to the
MX-5 in a bid to maintain workable margins, with pricing starting north
of £20,000. It could slot the model into the line-up of its premium
Acura brand in the United States, where it would be a rival to BMW’s
next Z4 and the Audi TT Roadster.
Honda
has been working on a number of sports car projects as it looks to
rebuild its reputation as a manufacturer of enthusiasts’ models as well
as more mainstream products and capitalise on its struggling F1
programme with McLaren.
It is understood that a mid-engined,
turbocharged ‘baby NSX’ is also under consideration, but company
officials have prioritised a return to the open-top two-seater market.
Honda’s global boss, Takahiro Hachigo, recently revealed that despite the NSX’s
trick hybrid set-up, future sports cars from the company would not all
need to have electric motors in their powertrains. “Whether or not we
develop a hybrid depends on the type of car,” he said. “It is not the
case that we have a fixed notion that a sports car always has to be a
hybrid.”
Honda has decided that the diminutive S660 roadster
that’s sold in Japan would not have a broad enough appeal to justify
homologation in other markets. Hachigo said: “If there is strong demand
from a region then we will always consider possibilities, but the S660
is a car that was developed for the Japanese market and we’d have to do a
lot of work on it to make it comply with European regulations. I also
wonder: would a car like this, sold in Asia, succeed in Europe?”
He
did admit that Honda was considering sports cars beyond the NSX,
however. “We are receiving requests from our regions who are saying they
would like more sports cars, so we are considering ways to do that,” he
added.
Engineers have also been working on a four-motor,
all-electric sports car, as demonstrated by the SH-AWD CR-Z that
finished 11th in this year’s Pikes Peak hillclimb in Colorado, but the
commercialisation of that project faces a number of challenges, not
least the cost of the lithium ion battery technology required to deliver
the targeted range of 300 miles per full charge.Hachigo admitted that
Honda had damaged its image by “abandoning” products such as the S2000
that had a strong reputation and hardcore fan base. The firm did have
plans for a successor to the second generation of the car, but these
were scrapped in the midst of the global automotive and financial crises
in 2009.
It is believed that the firm’s European boss, Toshiaki
Mikoshiba, has been given specific targets to improve continuity and
nurture customer retention, as well as reducing the gap between product
launches in Japan and the US and the arrival of those cars in Europe.
The new HR-V and Jazz — plus the newly launched US-market Civic — are
seen as prime examples of cars taking too long to reach European
customers.
“We need consistency to build the brand,” said Hachigo.
“We want to enhance the cars that we’ve already introduced. We are also
working so we can introduce models more quickly to Europe. It’s a very
important market for us.”
Honda is the latest Japanese brand to
publicly state its goal to produce more cars that are fun to drive,
although if the firm does get a new, rear-wheel-drive S2000 to market on
its own, it will be bucking the recent trend for joint developments.
Mazda and Fiat collaborated on the MX-5 and 124, while Toyota joined
forces with Subaru to get access to the boxer engines that give the GT86
the handling agility that was the focus for the project.
Toyota
is also working with BMW on a sports car platform that’s expected to
underpin different sizes of car. BMW will place it under the next Z4 and
its Japanese partner will use it to underpin a larger coupé that could
carry the Supra badge.
However, some Japanese manufacturers are
developing standalone sports car projects. Mazda is working on a
rotary-engined successor to the RX-7 and RX-8 and Nissan is considering
an expansion of its Z sub-brand.
Honda's S2000 is also seen as an investment car -
read more in our used car buying guide.
The cars the new S2000 must beat
Fiat/Abarth 124 Spider - Sister
car to the MX-5, the 124 Spider has more power and torque thanks to
Fiat’s 1.4 turbo Multiair engine. UK-spec 124s will have a 138bhp engine
at launch, but sources are speaking about an Abarth version with at
least 168bhp, a more focused chassis and the option of a fixed roof.
BMW Z4
- BMW had been considering a baby front-drive roadster, but that
project is on hold, so the next Z4 will remain the firm’s smallest
drop-top for now. It’ll be spun off a platform developed with Toyota,
although the Japanese brand is expected to use the architecture to build
a larger model.
Nissan Z-Car - While
Nissan’s Gripz concept
shows how it plans to extend the Z line-up to include crossovers, that
car is seen as an extension to the sub-brand, not a replacement for the
rear-drive sports car. Expect the next Z to use a turbo four-cylinder
engine and cost less than the outgoing 370Z.
Mazda MX-5 - No-frills
roadster has received widespread acclaim in its latest generation,
which makes do with modest 1.5 and 2.0-litre naturally aspirated engines
but sheds weight to ensure decent performance and fantastic handling
agility. Its pricing could make the Honda look expensive, too.
Alpine A120 - Reborn
French brand’s two-seater is due next year. It will use a 250bhp
1.8-litre turbo engine, but a 300bhp version is also planned. Hardcore
dynamics will appeal to the enthusiasts Honda hopes to snare with the
S2000, but the A120 will cost more, with prices starting at about
£30,000.
Comment - would the S660 work in Europe?
Honda
does have a drop-top sports car in its line-up, but only in Japan - and
it should really stay there. The S660 is a kei car, designed to beat
Japanese vehicle tax rules, and as such it is (a) tiny and (b) modestly
powered by a 660cc engine.
We had a chance to try the car on the
eve of this year’s Tokyo motor show, and while it has some fine
characteristics, including a particularly sweet short-throw gearshift,
it would also be outgunned pretty much anywhere outside of town.
Even
if you did have the patience to get it up to motorway speeds, the
extreme wind buffeting would probably persuade you to back off.
The
cabin is minuscule, too, and anyone more than 6ft tall would struggle
to find a comfortable seating position. Honda’s bosses say the costs of
homologating the car for sales outside Japan couldn’t be justified by
the potential sales, and for all the S660’s charm, we’re inclined to
agree. If the firm wants a genuine rival for roadsters such as the MX-5
and 124 Spider -the car that it freely admits its regions are asking for
- it’ll need to try harder.
Source;
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/honda-s2000-sports-car-return-mazda-mx-5-rival